Erny wrote:I'd argue that to you oldhammer means as you say old versions of warhammer, with your arbitrary cut off point. You coined the term and I'd be inclined to agree for the most part, that's what it is for me too.
It's not arbitary! It cuts off at the exact point the company got sold! Even RP admits there was a different vibe.
Ah, but what I'm saying is much, much smaller than that
The word "oldhammer" is not free from content, like the word "gay" is. "oldhammer" denotes something
about "old" and something
about "hammers" (which in a gaming context is reasonably likely to be Warhammer). "gay" which used to connote happy, now connotes "homosexual" (to a majority of people, it can also mean 'rubbish') - which is made possible by the fact that the letters 'g' 'a' y' have no relationship with either the state of happiness or the state or practice of homosexuality other than it's repeated use. "oldhammer" carries meaning, albeit dependant on the understanding of "old" and "hammer" (which themselves are arbitrary, if culturally stable). Just to be clear, I'm not arguing that that meaning is the oldhammer contract
or (whilst agreeing with Mark Hides and Blue in VT) that "oldhammer" can only infer a single thing.
What I would say is that if someone attempted to define something that was neither "old" nor "[war] hammer" as "oldhammer", that they'd be ineffectively communicating their idea, and would be better off either not using the neologism, creating a new 'wanky' phrase (thanks Zog ;-P) or using something else. I think I've seen some people using "Oldhammer Dark Future" or something, and to me that's just a failure of imagination. Dork Future is much funnier.
I have a similar aversion to Zog and Diesel when it comes to games businesses using the word, it does feel a bit awkward, but we've established historically that the community largely don't mind. Tim Prow recently used in when talking about Diehard miniatures, on the thrice-accursed Book of Face, and I think everyone knew exactly
what he meant by it.
Erny wrote:However oldhammer is also a community and we have got more out of this community that calls itself oldhammer than from our various slightly aligned blogs from before taking on this joint moniker together. It's grown and many of the people that produce interesting and inspiring projects have a different understanding of what it means. They have joined a community with a name rather than as we did, used a name to describe a community.
So for most and for me Oldhammer is the community that has enabled us all so it is everything. If oldhammer is just a restriction to play one of three editions of one game...
I think Oldhammer, in use when attached to a group of people, does tend to be qualified by something like the Oldhammer Movement, or the Oldhammer Community - not "oldhammer" by itself, and I think that's a comfortable distinction. None of the responses here mentioned "community" as being their primary answer, they've all talked about aspects of The Hobby™(collecting, modelling, painting, gaming) - other than Diesel who says he did not think of himself as part of one. But then Thatcher said there was no such thing as society, so that's just a position one can choose to adopt for whatever reason.
Similarly having a definition of what Oldhammer is should not preclude what members of Oldhammer Community do, or use the various and ever increasing number of Oldhammer spaces for. I'm not oldhammering when I play AD&D, and I can't see why I would call it that.