Iron Wind and old citadel molds
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Harry
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They could have all of it. I don't know just how far the reciprocal agreement went. Certainly Citadel sold Ral Parta under licence over here and Ral Partha sold citadel under licence in the US. It would certainly make sense if they had a set of each others molds and cast each others miniatures to order rather than shipped lead back and forth across the ocean .... but it does not mean it happened that way.mbh":7r8enyyb said:
If it did happen that way then they would have copies of everything in the Dragon Catalogue and the first Citadel Compendium .... all the Fantasy tribe stuff, The Fantasy adventurers and Fantasy Cavalry, the Fiend Factory and Fantasy specials and Pre slotta C series, (including the C28 Perry Giants), The Citadel Giant and the Chicken Dragon ... which GW no longer have the complete mould for.
So they could have a gold mine or they could have none of the above and just have the Ral Partha moulds which include some great character minis, some lovely early elves, some cool big monsters like the Jabbawocky, and let us not forget ... The Bee Knight.
So this is either HUGE news for collectors of pre slotta Citadel stuff .... or not that big a deal.
Can you link to the original forum so we can read the thread?
mbh
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Harry":42rblery said:
sure
http://www.chaos-dwarfs.com/forum/showt ... ?tid=14677
I was doing one of my regular searches for Oldhammer porn "third edition chaos dwarf army" and found that thread. Hopefully they have the rest of the dragons and the c28 giants. They have pretty decent prices for their current ex-citadel stuff.
zoggin-eck
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bug16":1dkug6q4 said:sirrah":1dkug6q4 said:
Glad I'm not the only one thinking this!!
Same here, I'd be just as excited seeing new-old Ral Partha as I would new-old Citadel.
marcusluis
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That would be nice but that post is 5 years old and i dont see any old RP stuff on the ironwind site!!
Citadel Collector
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Being a Citadel collector this is the kind of information that gets my juices flowing, but I’m also well aware of how rumours of this nature can inflate out of all proportion faster than the early expansion of our universe. Fortunately I know the collector (Jacob Fathbruckner) at the heart of this, from earlier trades. So I got in touch with him to clarify the situation. I’ve edited the following for some of the content but what follows is essentially directly from Jacob:
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The old Citadel moulds were destroyed back around 1987, after the license between the two companies ended. They (Iron Wind) do have moulds of a lot of the old Ral Partha stuff from around 1976 to present (with some exclusions, namely stuff that was under license). Iron Wind has NOT been casting any of Citadel's (or Foundry's) intellectual property.
Jacob is sorting through their old Master Castings, which really have never been kept in order and the labeling wasn't the best. Most of this stuff has been in deep storage since it was first boxed up. Jacob is sorting them out and labeling them for Iron Wind. Technically the master castings are no longer property of the company, but personal property of the company's owner, Mike Noe. Included in the Master Castings are quite a few of the old Citadel Imports, though Jacob is maybe 1/4 of the way done with the whole project, so he’s not positive (yet) what is missing or not.
Jacob has unearthed a lot of beautiful figures, including some unreleased ones from the early 1980s (I don’t have any further information on these at this time).
They'll never cast any Citadel. As the molds are gone, it would be relatively expensive to create new production molds, and these guys take IP rights very seriously. There are some figures such as the CP3 and CP4 Troglodytes, C37 Tom Meier Elves, DG1-DG7 Dragons, FTT9, and the 1983 "White Dragon" that are all Ral Partha properties, and were sold by both companies. Jacob is hoping – but not certain – that these may be re-released.
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So this is indeed potentially – but I stress potentially – exciting news.
As an aside, and something that is of great personal interest to me, Jacob is currently investigating the history of Citadel’s Fantasy Tribes Orc range. It’s been apparent to me for some time that a number of the FTO variants that originated in the USA are distinctly odd in terms of their hairstyles. I showed some of these to the Perrys once and they told me that they had not sculpted the odd hairstyles (the Perrys sculpted the FTO range). So it seemed as if someone else had sculpted the hair on FTO masters. I’m hoping that Jacob can solve this mystery.
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The old Citadel moulds were destroyed back around 1987, after the license between the two companies ended. They (Iron Wind) do have moulds of a lot of the old Ral Partha stuff from around 1976 to present (with some exclusions, namely stuff that was under license). Iron Wind has NOT been casting any of Citadel's (or Foundry's) intellectual property.
Jacob is sorting through their old Master Castings, which really have never been kept in order and the labeling wasn't the best. Most of this stuff has been in deep storage since it was first boxed up. Jacob is sorting them out and labeling them for Iron Wind. Technically the master castings are no longer property of the company, but personal property of the company's owner, Mike Noe. Included in the Master Castings are quite a few of the old Citadel Imports, though Jacob is maybe 1/4 of the way done with the whole project, so he’s not positive (yet) what is missing or not.
Jacob has unearthed a lot of beautiful figures, including some unreleased ones from the early 1980s (I don’t have any further information on these at this time).
They'll never cast any Citadel. As the molds are gone, it would be relatively expensive to create new production molds, and these guys take IP rights very seriously. There are some figures such as the CP3 and CP4 Troglodytes, C37 Tom Meier Elves, DG1-DG7 Dragons, FTT9, and the 1983 "White Dragon" that are all Ral Partha properties, and were sold by both companies. Jacob is hoping – but not certain – that these may be re-released.
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So this is indeed potentially – but I stress potentially – exciting news.
As an aside, and something that is of great personal interest to me, Jacob is currently investigating the history of Citadel’s Fantasy Tribes Orc range. It’s been apparent to me for some time that a number of the FTO variants that originated in the USA are distinctly odd in terms of their hairstyles. I showed some of these to the Perrys once and they told me that they had not sculpted the odd hairstyles (the Perrys sculpted the FTO range). So it seemed as if someone else had sculpted the hair on FTO masters. I’m hoping that Jacob can solve this mystery.
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Harry":1404gztt said:
No idea but it would be interesting to know.
