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Post Sat May 18, 2019 3:14 pm

Are these recasts?

From this LAF thread, Fakes? What do you lot think?, I checked out ale_bennytin's listings and the £0.99 opening bids didn't raise an eyebrow, though not sure why the McDeath or MecDeath figures have "unreleased" in the title. Looking at the Xena listing, I do notice some differences with the one I purchased for $50+ (How much does Xena the Warrior Princess go for?) back in 2017: the dagger on the left hand looks slightly different and some of the details are a little soft, though not sure if it's due to the photo. :?:

I am interested in the Fergus McEwman/Hercule Throb sculpt, but the £16 shipping to the US for individual figures is just ridiculous... :lol:

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Post Sat May 18, 2019 5:47 pm

Re: Are these recasts?

I couldn't really give a solid reason why, but when I stumbled across these auctions a couple of days ago I assumed them recast. I have seen a LOT of mordheim figures coming from Italy over the last two years, nearly all of them in pristine condition. That is no reason to believe them recast of course. The seller has a large amount of desirable miniatures, but so do many other genuine sellers. The weird lot of halflings adds an element of credibility to it being someone selling their personal collection- they would be a poor choice of minis to recast (even the psychohobbit in the lot isn't particularly valuable) but do appear too new to be true. The account having no activity for a year and then listing a load of rare minis is kinda strange, but not unheard of.

In short- I'm suspicious but can't really explain why.
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Post Sat May 18, 2019 7:16 pm

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Best thing I can say is look at the sellers previous sales and feedback if it look OK, more than likely it is, if not more than likely isn't . Sorry best I can do.

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Post Sat May 18, 2019 7:38 pm

Re: Are these recasts?

I'm going to go out on a limb and say that the vast majority are almost certainly recasts. For one example, I've never seen preslotta halflings in anything other than a very dark, high-lead content alloy. The castings look to be in a much more modern alloy.

Also, Italy in particular seems to have a rather lax attitude to copyright infringement.
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Golgfag1 wrote:Best thing I can say is look at the sellers previous sales and feedback if it look OK, more than likely it is, if not more than likely isn't . Sorry best I can do.

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Feedback isn't always a good gauge, as I recall some discounted Forge World stuff on eBay years ago and the seller had excellent feedback. Based on info from Frothers, turned out they're resin recasts, so unless all those positives were from shills, those buyers were only concerned about comparative quality. Was also told that some of those GW resins from China were "recast" using original molds by employees, probably in their spare time. :|

If it weren't for the shipping, I'd be tempted to pick up another Xena, to convert it into a mounted version, though I'd remove that dagger... ;)
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Juxt wrote:I couldn't really give a solid reason why, but when I stumbled across these auctions a couple of days ago I assumed them recast. I have seen a LOT of mordheim figures coming from Italy over the last two years, nearly all of them in pristine condition. That is no reason to believe them recast of course. The seller has a large amount of desirable miniatures, but so do many other genuine sellers. The weird lot of halflings adds an element of credibility to it being someone selling their personal collection- they would be a poor choice of minis to recast (even the psychohobbit in the lot isn't particularly valuable) but do appear too new to be true. The account having no activity for a year and then listing a load of rare minis is kinda strange, but not unheard of.

In short- I'm suspicious but can't really explain why.

Good eye on the halfings, as I glossed over 'em for the other stuff. I do have that psychohobbit and it's almost as shiny as the one in the listing, except this one has spikes that look a little soft in comparison, though I can't tell if it's to do with the photo quality or wear and tear. The Imperial arquebusiers and swordsmen look okay...

Looking over the Mordheim sculpts made me realize, there's a lot of stuff I missed when these were available, due to not subscribing to Town Cryer. :cry:
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Post Sun May 19, 2019 3:38 pm

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Condottiero Magno wrote:I do have that psychohobbit and it's almost as shiny as the one in the listing, except this one has spikes that look a little soft in comparison, though I can't tell if it's to do with the photo quality or wear and tear.


As it was a slotta mini, the psychohobbit ended up in the general halfling range, and so was produced up until the mail order archive service ended in the early 2000's.

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Post Mon May 20, 2019 11:58 am

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Saw these, and yes they set off alarm bells as looking soft / dodgy.

But, as dieselmonkey suggests, the Mail-Order Archive service was running up until 2000, and it's possible some of these were ordered through that, which explains both the odd quality and the modern, shiny metal, although IDK if they did preslotta stuff.
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Post Mon May 20, 2019 1:50 pm

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Zhu Bajie wrote: although IDK if they did preslotta stuff.


They didn't. Preslotta production moulds were shredded/discontinued by 1989 when I started. I had to get preslotta models made by asking a friendly mouldmaker to dig out the master moulds and spin them for me. No way they'd do that for mail order customers.
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Post Tue May 21, 2019 12:51 pm

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dieselmonkey wrote:
Condottiero Magno wrote:I do have that psychohobbit and it's almost as shiny as the one in the listing, except this one has spikes that look a little soft in comparison, though I can't tell if it's to do with the photo quality or wear and tear.


As it was a slotta mini, the psychohobbit ended up in the general halfling range, and so was produced up until the mail order archive service ended in the early 2000's.

Makes sense, but until moving back and getting internet access ad finding SoL, I had no idea of a "general halfling range", just had the Blue and Red catalogues, White Dwarf and whatever flyer included with mail ordered items - I recall someone at school selling his figures and I picked up several halflings. :) The Elven Attack Chariot never made it to the early 2000s, as my brother wanted one in the early to mid 90s. :(

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