So Which OldHammer?


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Post Sat Jul 21, 2018 11:32 pm

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I'd go with the awesome 5th edition rules. I went back with them and promptly got into Brets myself, currently 6-0, all massacres with them.

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Post Sun Jul 22, 2018 10:43 am

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I prefer 3rd ed. It has alot of books to go with it, but the army book is just one book with all races in one place, its as balanced as any of the versions. Plus it has warhammer siege and realm of chaos. ROC are my favourite things. And its compatible with 40k rogue trader, basically the same rule set. Plus it doesnt suffer from the very annoying thing of too many special rules. Its just warhammer, that is move, roll to hit, roll to wound, armour saves. Its basic and yet full of stuff from the serious to the whacky.
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Post Mon Jul 23, 2018 10:18 am

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All Warhammer is Oldhammer now.

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Post Mon Jul 23, 2018 10:57 am

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Padre wrote:All Warhammer is Oldhammer now.


I know you're joking but some people don't know the difference! :lol: In fact I'm beginning to think the term oldhammer is redundant now as no one knows what the hell it is and everything seems to be accepted.

ramshackle_curtis wrote:I prefer 3rd ed. It has alot of books to go with it, but the army book is just one book with all races in one place, its as balanced as any of the versions. Plus it has warhammer siege and realm of chaos. ROC are my favourite things. And its compatible with 40k rogue trader, basically the same rule set. Plus it doesnt suffer from the very annoying thing of too many special rules. Its just warhammer, that is move, roll to hit, roll to wound, armour saves. Its basic and yet full of stuff from the serious to the whacky.


I want to like 3rd edition, it's my era and it's the only edition I played but if I'm honest I didn't enjoy it that much. It's a boring old historics rule set with magic and monsters tacked on. Every game was tedious maneuvering for a bit and then turn after turn of very predictable melee as units slowly whittled down one another in a very unsatisfying manner. AD&D Battlesystem though was far more fun. Combat was especially exciting in comparison to WFB. The Warhammer books are a great source of background material and ideas but as rule sets I don't think they really cut it, especially today. I'd recommend them for nostalgia but if anyone wants a fun rule set I think there are far better things available.

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Post Mon Jul 23, 2018 3:09 pm

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It's been a while but I found Battlesystem really clunky, needing lots of modifier checks, and combat was dull and deterministic without much fantasy flavour at all, Orcs didn't play much differently to Humans. The more streamlined combat resolution seemed to miss the cut and thrust of battle. I find Warhammers psych, morale and magic rules give a lot more depth and character on the tabletop.

Ultimately, preference in games really just comes down to personal taste rather than any form of objective measurement, maybe I should give it another go.
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Post Mon Jul 23, 2018 5:28 pm

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stone cold lead wrote:It's a boring old historics rule set with magic and monsters tacked on. Every game was tedious maneuvering for a bit and then turn after turn of very predictable melee as units slowly whittled down one another in a very unsatisfying manner.


Mate, that's just fantasy wargaming. :lol:

I (and my gaming group at the time) tried Battlesystem when it came out, but we just didn't get on with it, it just seemed too, 'fiddly', for want of a better word, so we all ended up back with 3rd.

WFB3 may not be perfect, but it was the least shite of all the systems we went through at the time.
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Post Mon Jul 23, 2018 6:53 pm

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Looks like I've kicked off an interesting discussion here - It's been enjoyable reading whilst I'm my hols so thanks for all of the replies.

One thought I've had whilst reading through the forums here is that Oldhammer doesn't just appear to be about the rule sets, but about the older style miniatures and the attitude of the gamers, And their happiness to break/adjust those rules and have a bit of fun in the process.

Would that be a fair assumption?
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Post Mon Jul 23, 2018 9:29 pm

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portman wrote:Looks like I've kicked off an interesting discussion here - It's been enjoyable reading whilst I'm my hols so thanks for all of the replies.

One thought I've had whilst reading through the forums here is that Oldhammer doesn't just appear to be about the rule sets, but about the older style miniatures and the attitude of the gamers, And their happiness to break/adjust those rules and have a bit of fun in the process.

Would that be a fair assumption?



Bang on, although I'm a bit jaded with the idea of oldhammer as a 'thing' these days. A few weeks of following the FB group and trading group and you quickly realise most people haven't got a clue what it's about. Gets a bit frustrating when people are posting everything but oldhammer.

Interesting how people found Battlesytem clunky. It was a breath of fresh air when I picked it up (on the strength of a comparison article between it and WFB in Games Master International). Part of me would be interested to see how I might fare with 3rd edition these days though as there were a few issues with gaming back in the day that might not have helped the experience.
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Post Tue Jul 24, 2018 6:02 pm

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dieselmonkey wrote:
stone cold lead wrote:It's a boring old historics rule set with magic and monsters tacked on. Every game was tedious maneuvering for a bit and then turn after turn of very predictable melee as units slowly whittled down one another in a very unsatisfying manner.


Mate, that's just fantasy wargaming. :lol:

I (and my gaming group at the time) tried Battlesystem when it came out, but we just didn't get on with it, it just seemed too, 'fiddly', for want of a better word, so we all ended up back with 3rd.

WFB3 may not be perfect, but it was the least shite of all the systems we went through at the time.


Battlesystem 1st Ed.('85) or 2nd('89)? How about Battlesystem: Skirmishes? Other than what's mentioned on wiki page, I'm not familiar with 1st, but own 2nd and Bs: Skirmishes and both are about as complicated as WFB3, in regards to racial modifiers and tactical formations, plus it's better organized and included siege rules. Both the mass battle and skirmish books had rules for converting characters and critters from AD&D 2nd edition. The only downside was that TSR never properly supported it beyond a few miniatures boxed sets and a few supplements, like Forgotten Realms: Horde Campaign and Gold & Glory - my favorite obviously. :roll:

You want fiddly, try Fantasy Warlord...
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Post Tue Jul 24, 2018 6:08 pm

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stone cold lead wrote:
portman wrote:Looks like I've kicked off an interesting discussion here - It's been enjoyable reading whilst I'm my hols so thanks for all of the replies.

One thought I've had whilst reading through the forums here is that Oldhammer doesn't just appear to be about the rule sets, but about the older style miniatures and the attitude of the gamers, And their happiness to break/adjust those rules and have a bit of fun in the process.

Would that be a fair assumption?



Bang on, although I'm a bit jaded with the idea of oldhammer as a 'thing' these days. A few weeks of following the FB group and trading group and you quickly realise most people haven't got a clue what it's about. Gets a bit frustrating when people are posting everything but oldhammer.

Interesting how people found Battlesytem clunky. It was a breath of fresh air when I picked it up (on the strength of a comparison article between it and WFB in Games Master International). Part of me would be interested to see how I might fare with 3rd edition these days though as there were a few issues with gaming back in the day that might not have helped the experience.

I thought miniature style wasn't the main thing associated with Oldhammer, but more about the rules and attitude... :|

The obsession with "retro miniatures" is probably why 80s Citadel sculpts are going for £10+ per figure.
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