Recast Models on ebay?!!!

King Arthur

Member
Hi All

I'd thought I'd highlight a conversation I read from the CCM Group:

It would seem that some members have noted this seller from the past as selling rare or unreleased RECASTS on ebay:

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/261514547114? ... 1423.l2648

This is one of their current auctions, the much sought after 'Arse Cannon'.

I'm not claiming any agreement with the claim or knowledge to confirm or deny that his listings are recasts, but I thought it best to highlight the conversation here.

Best Regards

Gary
 
Naagruz

Naagruz

Member
Ebay facilitates recasters, so there are lots of listings that are selling fakes.
You can change your name, buy other accounts, hold multiple accounts, bid on your own auctions, & augment pictures of merchandise till the cows come home. There is no such thing as getting banned from eBay for selling fake merchandise because there are so many ways around it.

Here is a basic eBay search I haven't updated in awhile that highlights some recasts: BOGUS!

At this point, there are so many recasts out there, you will have a hell of a time getting originals of certain miniatures. You could probably build a mountain just with the amount of Blood Bowl & Chaos Dwarf copies that get shoveled out of the States.

Rather than going insane trying to avoid recasts, you'd likely be better off checking if the mini's detail is crisp and only bid what you feel is reasonable. Fully expect that you are getting shilled on rare items, so don't play that game unless it makes you happy.
 
theottovonbismark

theottovonbismark

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Naagruz":25pzsx0o said:
Rather than going insane trying to avoid recasts, you'd likely be better off checking if the mini's detail is crisp and only bid what you feel is reasonable. Fully expect that you are getting shilled on rare items, so don't play that game unless it makes you happy.
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And that's of course assuming that the picture you are looking at is even the goods that will be shipped. Having recasters selling stuff as original is a dirty situation which is only likely to get worse as an increasing general interest in old models pushes up the prices of the rarer items.
 
Naagruz

Naagruz

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Fimm McCool":2ul9tzak said:
On a possible plus side... maybe it keeps the prices down? Although not with the crazy BIN recasts I've seen...
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Not yet really, but I have seen cases where that has happened.
I've actually made some purchases from a high-quality recaster because I was able to get options on the model at no extra charge and pricing was super reasonable as compared to regular bidding.

If you buy lots of old Citadel lead, you likely own several recasts. Palanquin of Nurgle? Genestealer on Throne? Chaos Dwarf anything? Jes Goodwin RoC bits? Yeah, you likely have a recast or two.
 

Whitesun

Member
Some of the recasts I've seen do appear to be fairly good quality replicas... and there is also a ton coming out of China now, though those tend to be for newer models.... which might actually be a better alternative to Finecast and have less bubbles...
 

Flippa

Member
I know that anything I sell isn't a recast as I bought them all with my lead weight discount... good times :grin:
 
Wheeling Turn

Wheeling Turn

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As long as the seller say it is a recast the people can choose to buy or not.
Recasting is a tricky thing because people are violating copyright laws.
I can understand that some old and out of production figures lurk high on the wants list and to be honest some are even way out of the price range one would pay for them. I buy quite often on ebay and sometimes I am not sure if I buy a vintage model or a recast as some are part painted and have quite good detail.
When I buy models via second hand I look at the price and condition and then buy them or leave them.
I cannot say If all my models are originals or recasts. Most are originals because I bought them in the 80s via GW Mail order but of the newer investments I do not know because they are from Ebay and Bring and Buys and I do not know what I bought.
 
psiekier

psiekier

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Wheeling Turn":9b3fql9r said:
As long as the seller say it is a recast the people can choose to buy or not.
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It's a sticky situation. I don't think I would ever knowingly buy a recast on eBay if the seller were claiming it was the original, but if I wanted the model badly enough, I just might.

Consider this: GW pretty much dumped Specialist Games. You want a Space Marine Battle Barge for Battlefleet Gothic? Get ready to shell out $100US or more. This model was only made in metal, so if you see it on eBay, it likely means one of two things:

1). The item is a recast

2). Someone else has stopped playing Battlefleet Gothic

In your opinion, which is worse?
 

finarfin

Member
Hi,

Interesting topic.
Actually, you have 2 situations:
- you like the minis as it is, and a reacast is fine. Of course, it's better if the buyer is honest and tells you it is a recast, but you can't be sure unfortunately. I'm sure, the selling price would still be ok, although some might not want to buy it.
Actually, it would depends of the quality of the recast also.
- the collectors who would definitely not buy it, they want the original or nothing.

I bought one asscannon, and what i did is asking the seller about how he got the mini, if he was the first buyer and so on. Then you can have at least an idea, assuming he's telling the truth.
That's quite the best you can do, and of course setting a reasonnable price, that won't affect you that much if it is a recast in the end.

Actually, I've seen 2 asscanon, and they have differences, so I'm guessing one of them at least might be a recast...

Cheers
 
Naagruz

Naagruz

Member
For an asscannon or a CD juggernaught, you might as well assume it's a fake & pay what you will based on that premise.

The tale from every recaster spoken with is "I don't know where I got the mini from" or "I bought it a long time ago". Many will mysteriously have another one "lying around" if you are interested though. Found some Citadel Stormtroopers that way...

Breakin' Da Law aside (cue Judas Priest), these guys are increasing the availability of many older minis that would otherwise never see widespread distribution. As much as it is irksome, a good recaster with a super-clean Citadel original master, will likely turn out a better end product than Citadel itself did back in the day. I can't even begin to count the number of horrible casts I've pulled out of blisters from the 1980s - 90s. GW & Quality Control have never apparently met. :roll:

Admittedly, the deception is annoying along with watching auctions go to recasters at insane prices. For a recaster, that collector's model is an "investment" which effectively options a new line of products they can sell. Paying 10X it's normal value is totally worthwhile.
 
zoggin-eck

zoggin-eck

Member
I bought some recast models from a (my!) school fete in the 90's and was silly/young enough not to realise how obvious they were until years later!

I never queried why he had so many multiples of the same model, why his catalogue was hand made and photocopied or even why someone had a traveling miniature stand! I actually saw him again once elsewhere.

Funnily, it was all 80's models rather than the then more recent ranges. Perhaps there's a million-in one chance he was legit, with old store stock or something? :razz:

Looking back, they were surprisingly good quality (which I ruined with heavy paintjobs). To be honest, I'm not sure how I feel about modern ebay recasters. At the very least, I don't think I could buy an "in-print" model, for instance.
 

mbh

Member
I'm pretty mixed up on the recasters as well.


I would like to take the high ground, but I would probably pay $50 for a recast ass cannon and be happy as a clam.


GW is out of the equation, unless they suddenly decide to remake all of these oop models. It does suck for anyone who has invested large sums if money in originals, but it's also terrible that 99.9% of us will never get our hands on a dark elf chariot.
 
Chico

Chico

Member
I think I'd rather have a recast of a OOP or Unreleased model then not have the model at all (Yes that would suck for the owners of the originals, but not as sucky as me not being ever able to have one). But I'd never buy a recast of something I could still buy.
 

tf riley

Member
All the epic FW terrain I've bought off eBay is recast, and prices were as they are. But the casting is of high quality.

I cast myself (for our gaming club and stuff we sculpt), and we have a local spin caster also, and I could actually get some good ideas from finding out where he placed the lines for air on the terrain etc.
 

finarfin

Member
Hi,

Regarding this asscanon, i asked a few questions and here´s his answer:
''As far as I know this is not a recast. I bought this one and all the Chaos Dwarves about 12 years ago from a friend who worked at Games Workshop. He had this army of dwarves fully painted. I stripped them because the paint was not good enough for today standards. I had to use a powerful chemical to remove the paint and the sealer and this gave them this darker color.

I sold the other half of this army in the past and no user ever complained about them being recasts.

In my life I had only one person complaining about this recast issue. He broke the miniature and asked for a full refund stating it was a recast. He lost the case on Ebay and still left a negative feedback. ''

Actually, when i looked closely to this mini, i saw a few differences with mine, and i had a doubt, so i would not bid if i wanted to...
Anyway, not easy to make a good call, especially with this amount of money..

Cheers
 
Naagruz

Naagruz

Member
finarfin":19hhy3jz said:
Regarding this asscanon, i asked a few questions and here´s his answer:
''As far as I know this is not a recast. I bought this one and all the Chaos Dwarves about 12 years ago from a friend who worked at Games Workshop. He had this army of dwarves fully painted. I stripped them because the paint was not good enough for today standards. I had to use a powerful chemical to remove the paint and the sealer and this gave them this darker color.
In my life I had only one person complaining about this recast issue. He broke the miniature and asked for a full refund stating it was a recast. He lost the case on Ebay and still left a negative feedback. ''

Actually, when i looked closely to this mini, i saw a few differences with mine, and i had a doubt, so i would not bid if i wanted to...
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Any seller set on "Private", like the fellow above, is suspect. Why hide your sales history??? I get it, I don't like being stalked by the Dept. of Homeland Security either. :roll:
Best ever is that there was a change in the way eBay handled feedback where they temporarily uncloaked Private feedback and let the items be shown. This really flushes some of the recasters out into the open if you look at sales history. Nothing like seeing that someone sold 15 CD Tenderizers in a couple months to make you ask healthy questions. "Yeah, I like bought those from a friend like 10 years ago....." :lol:
 
psiekier

psiekier

Member
Naagruz":13n919l6 said:
Any seller set on "Private", like the fellow above, is suspect. Why hide your sales history???
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I know your question is rhetorical, but there is a legitimate answer to that: he may also be selling items (most specifically those that are classified as "Adults Only") that some other customers might not appreciate - but that's the exception, rather than the rule. More than likely, Naagruz, your perception is spot on. I would automatically assume any rare figure from a seller with a bunch of private auctions is a recast and bid (or not) accordingly.

For a similar reason, I don't even bother to look at items that come from the Balkans, any part of the former USSR, or the Pacific Rim.
 

Flippa

Member
Naagruz":3qvdix6d said:
finarfin":3qvdix6d said:
Regarding this asscanon, i asked a few questions and here´s his answer:
''As far as I know this is not a recast. I bought this one and all the Chaos Dwarves about 12 years ago from a friend who worked at Games Workshop. He had this army of dwarves fully painted. I stripped them because the paint was not good enough for today standards. I had to use a powerful chemical to remove the paint and the sealer and this gave them this darker color.
In my life I had only one person complaining about this recast issue. He broke the miniature and asked for a full refund stating it was a recast. He lost the case on Ebay and still left a negative feedback. ''

Actually, when i looked closely to this mini, i saw a few differences with mine, and i had a doubt, so i would not bid if i wanted to...
Click to expand...

Any seller set on "Private", like the fellow above, is suspect. Why hide your sales history??? I get it, I don't like being stalked by the Dept. of Homeland Security either. :roll:
Best ever is that there was a change in the way eBay handled feedback where they temporarily uncloaked Private feedback and let the items be shown. This really flushes some of the recasters out into the open if you look at sales history. Nothing like seeing that someone sold 15 CD Tenderizers in a couple months to make you ask healthy questions. "Yeah, I like bought those from a friend like 10 years ago....." :lol:
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Some of us do actually have things like 15 CD Tenderizers... with mine it is chaos nurgle palanquins. Thanks to lead weight for every 1 someone bought at retail, I bought 7 for the same price. At my ROC TLATD gaming heights I had over 35k points of chaos. I also have a 4 towered CD Jugger but I woulda gone higher but it seemed too ungainly :razz:
 
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