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Post Mon Dec 02, 2013 2:38 pm

Re: Why Marauder?

Really when talking about marauder we should state clearly if we are talking pre management buyout or post. Before the management buy out is when Marauder produced their classic sculpts, the stuff full of character and fun. I always think these early sculpts are to Gary Chalk as the contemporary citadels are to Tony Ackland. Their goblins were smaller and some how more vicious and mean than The Goblin Masters, though I love his goblins too I hasten to add. The wood elves more wild, the witch elves more witchy. I still love the citadels but the Maruader line was the bubble gum fun, stereotypes cranked to 11 kid brother. I love my kid brother and marauder almost alike...

After the buy out the onus on citadel and indeed I guess Marauder was to churn them out with a more child friendly style, they had small budgets and money to make from an identified larger market. Things got a bit bigger, a lot simpler and just plain different. They still have their charm and I have separate armies of later sculpts in my collections. They are not the same as the earlier marauder and trying to talk about both styles in the same thread can get confusing.

Oh and for the record the first prototype scale mail high elves were certainly not those sword masters. Not by a long shot, ignoring Tom Meire's elves Jess did quite a few that clearly show signs of his late plastic high elves that became the look for 4th ed HE onward.
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Post Mon Dec 02, 2013 4:32 pm

Re: Why Marauder?

Excellent post Erny...I think that is a very important point to keep in mind.

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Post Mon Dec 02, 2013 5:07 pm

Re: Why Marauder?

1989 (pre sale) Orcs:
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1991 (post sale) Orcs:

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Look pretty much the same to me - perhaps the difference is more apparent in other ranges?

Am really starting to like their Dark Elves. :oops:
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Post Mon Dec 02, 2013 5:25 pm

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Well maybe the post sale changes didn't actually occur until sometime after the buy out, there was a lag time. I only know thta those inside credit the change in style to the change in management and financial circumstances. I suspect this is true particularly of Marauder who being their own company had a different set of priorites which didn't feed back until the parent company started demanding something different.

If we are looking at green skins I'd say that second set of orcs belong stylistically to the earlier standard. The actual comparison is:

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to

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Though the goblins are perhaps the least worst of the bunch. Far better to look at the Dark Elves. Do you mean these pre the buy out?

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or these post:
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Post Mon Dec 02, 2013 7:04 pm

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Erny wrote:Oh and for the record the first prototype scale mail high elves were certainly not those sword masters. Not by a long shot, ignoring Tom Meire's elves Jess did quite a few that clearly show signs of his late plastic high elves that became the look for 4th ed HE onward.


Oh absolutely, I have several other earlier ones.

What I meant - and I admit I didn't explain this very clearly - is this: at some stage, the idea of High Elves having pointy helmets and scale mail as standard became the accepted doctrine. I believed that had happened with these Marauder sculpts - but you may be right that the plastics came first?

If we consider earlier scale-mail and pointy helmeted elves, they are mixed in with other styles (consider the sea elf bolt thrower; one his scale mail and looks very much like the High Elves that continue to this day; another has chain mail, the third seems to be in shirt and jeans!)... now, of course, you never get anything other than scale mail and pointy hats, so it's really the idea of it becoming standardised and regimented that I'm attributing to Marauder. Not denying that there are earlier individual examples.

Could still be wrong, like! Just want to be clearer in my wrongness.
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Post Mon Dec 02, 2013 9:30 pm

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Yeah it's really 4th Ed vs 3rd edition releases in my mind....obviously I prefer the 3rd.

Look marauder ranges like the MM15 clansmen and MM10
Dwarfs for a huge variety of dwarfs with different arms and armor...much like the imperial dwarfs lines of citadel. The style is not the same but the quality of the sculpts and the amount of detail
On them is superb.

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Post Mon Dec 02, 2013 10:16 pm

Re: Why Marauder?

lenihan wrote:at some stage, the idea of High Elves having pointy helmets and scale mail as standard became the accepted doctrine


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Tom Meier 1988?


Its hard to judge line art against a photo! I don't like any of those witch elf designs, not my cuppa, but yeah I can see the copy/paste effect is stronger with the later releases, but the design and sculpting looks much the same. Then again, compare what Jes was doing with the Wardancer / Harlequin / Bloodbowl Elf ranges around the that period, "cast up a half dozen dollies and stick on bitz", the whole production-line effect was really quite strong across the board, it just looks like they're churning out stuff. Yeah there are some nice things happening here and there, but the focus does seems to be on volume.
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Post Mon Dec 02, 2013 10:45 pm

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As I painted the Marauder Orc chariot (and some more things) last month I discovered some smaller details I didnt recognise before. Things like cut off ears, hands and a mouse sitting on it. The greenskins are sure cleaner and I would agree that they mark the newer, more uniform and cleaner design. But as I started with 4th edition, Im pretty used to that. But I can understand why some don´t like it that much. The mixture of the older Ranges and rough textures, as Olleys stuff, have a special appearance. More wildness and distinction inside a regiment.
Biggest down, in 4th edi minis, in my oppinion, was the beginning limitation of different sculpts, as mb04 Goblin Regiment for example, Command plus 4 Archers/4 handweapon. Really nice sculpts (imo) but a Regiment would have many doubles. Monopose plastics were ok for me back then (as it was not the cheapest hobby), now I´m hunting for regiments without doubles.
The Marauder Nightgoblins look great too, but as there are only 3 and a shaman thats even worse.

I grew up with the cleaner/newer stuff of Marauder sold as Citadel, but I´m very happy to discover that older stuff. The rougher looks seems to have gone hand in hand with an different feeling of play, maybe regarding to the proximity to roleplay, as mentioned before (regarding the ogres)
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Post Tue Dec 03, 2013 4:32 am

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That Tom Meier sculpt is incredible... someone sell me one quick!! :cry:
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Post Wed Dec 04, 2013 3:58 pm

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Zhu Bajie wrote:Tom Meier 1988?


Beautiful mini, would love one. But you seem to be missing my point - I know that scale mail exists earlier, I have earlier minis than that even. But the example you give is certainly not "as standard", rather he's an exceptionally beautiful individual, not a rank and filer wearing a "uniform".
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